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In this episode of Sound Design Live, I talk with licensed professional counselor Danielle Bowker from dB Counseling. We talk about why she decided to specialize in working with live event technicians, how to find a therapist, and finding balance between road and home.

I ask:

• What are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making who are new to the unbalancing effects of working in live event production?
• Finding Balance Between Home & Road
  • Why do I need balance? How do I know that I don’t have balance?
  • I’ve seen a lot of my friends and family benefit from working with a therapist regularly and I’ve considered it for myself, but I’m worried about the cost, the benefit, and how to find someone that could really help me. How do I if it will work for me and how can I get started?
  • I recently found out that depression runs in my family. Why symptoms should I be on the lookout for in myself?

Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.

Danielle Bowker quoting Dolly Parton

Notes

1. All music in this episode by Noah Feldman.
2. Music Cares non-profit
3. EMDR: Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing is a form of psychotherapy.
4. Book: Maybe You Should Talk to Someone
5. Podcast: Criminal, Story Core
6. Quotes
   1. Many people in the industry tend to struggle with alcohol and drug use…trying to deal with lack of sleep and hustle.
   2. Balance: Filling your day with community. Doing things that take care of yourself (meditation, reading, exercise, etc.). Productivity, a lot of people overdo this part.
   3. Right now is a really tough time to be home.
   4. It means a lot more when you are able to come to a determination on your own from working on your own thoughts and feelings.
   5. There are big T traumas and little t traumas and everyone has experience a little t trauma.

Transcript

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I’m Nathan Lively, and today I’m joined by a licensed professional counselor, Danielle Bouker from dB Counseling. Danielle, welcome to Sound Design Live. Thank you for having me.

Right, Daniel. So I definitely want to talk to you about finding balance mental health issues that we’re struggling with today, especially in these strange, strange, weird times. But before I do that, what is your favorite song to start a road trip?

That is a tough question, I think. Yeah, I have two two little ones, a six year old and an eight year old. So right now we are obsessing over the Hamilton soundtrack and everybody in the entire family knows it. So if we were to go on a road trip today, that is absolutely what would get us through.

Wait, are those kids safe lyrics?

I feel like not really challenging subjects, and they they fill in what they think they’re saying, but I have to tell you, luckily they can’t go to school right now and repeat that stuff and get you in trouble.

We are in the midst of some home schooling right now. And my my third grader is learning about ancient Greece. And so I was reading him some stories about Hercules and his response was Hercules Mulligan.

So I think I think he might be a little bit confused, but we’ll figure that out.

Well, he’s getting an excellent musical education. So, Daniel, how did you get your first job in counseling? Like, what is the I don’t know anything about the career path of a therapist, even though I have several friends who are who are counselors and therapists. Do you have to go to school for a long time and then do you immediately get a job?

How’s that work? Yeah, well, I was lucky enough that straight out of my bachelor’s degree program, I got my bachelor’s in psychology and straight out of that program, I was able to work for an organization where I was doing some counseling and independent living skills with kids who were aging out of custody of the state. So kids who had lived in group homes or foster care, who were turning 18 and when they turn 18, all of a sudden they need to be on their own.

And so we worked a lot on life skills, learning how to get a job, how to go about getting an apartment, paying bills, things like that. And so I was lucky to to get a lot of practice right away. And while I was doing that work, I started on my master’s program. So in order to to be a licensed professional counselor and to work completely on your own in private practice, you have to go through a master’s degree or a PhD and then get that licensure.

So I’ve been I’ve been blessed to have a lot of different experiences.

Well, that’s great. OK, so that was how you got your first job and now you have your own practice called dB counseling, right? Yes. And just so we’re clear, that is decibel counseling. Oh, yes, absolutely.

It’s my initials. It is my initials. But I didn’t even notice that.

But I also love to put it in as a lowercase D and a capital. OK, just a little wink wink for anybody who gets it. So I’d love to zoom in on a moment in your career when when something changed for you, I find that a lot of people that I talk to take a hard turn somewhere or just make a decision that they’re going to choose themselves or choose something different.

So looking back on your career so far, what is one of the best decisions you’ve made to get more of the work that you really love?

Wow, definitely starting my private practice. And right now, my private practice is a part time thing for me. I also work full time for a nonprofit organization that helps the music industry, and I’ve done that for 13 years. And so when I started my private practice almost two years ago, I it was because I was speaking at an event for live sound engineers, actually, and audio crew. And we were talking about mental health. And I found that the questions were really directed toward me.

And some of what I know from my background, being somebody who grew up in the music industry with my dad owning a live audio company, my husband is a weekend warrior. He travels and does video content. And so there were a lot of questions that were being directed at me that kind of came from that side of things.

And I thought, wow, I have this knowledge from my background and my study as a counselor that I can really hone in on this particular group. And these are my people. So ever since I started doing that, I just I absolutely love it. I love that I get what the situations are that people come to me with. And a lot of times people are coming to me with balance is really the biggest thing, work life balance and then a lot of anxiety and depression as well.

Those are kind of the top three things that I work on with my clients.

I think it’s such an interesting field and there’s so much to say about it. But the first thing that comes to mind, actually, let me get this question. All the what is the nonprofit Music Cares?

It’s the nonprofit arm of the recording academy and provides emergency financial assistance for people in the music industry all across the country.

Oh, cool. OK, so I find working and probably to be really interesting. And one of the reasons is that everyone who gets into it has kind of had to figure it out for themselves, you know, and I think most people get into it because they don’t want a regular job. I don’t know if that’s a fair generalization. You know, if you’re listening right now and you’re like, that’s not at all it, you know, let me know.

Sent me an email. But so many people that I’ve talked to are just like me. And they’re growing up and they’re thinking, hey, I just want to be a rock and roll star forever, you know, or I don’t want to have a nine to five job where I go into an office. And so that must be an interesting place to meet people who have got in for this particular reason, which is kind of like to have fun, get dopamine off of this work, and then discovering that there are all of these challenging situations that that make it just like a real job or whatever the stressors are that people didn’t get into it for.

So I feel like I’m just imagining a lot of your conversations go like this. Hey, this is not what I signed up for. And you’re like, is that how it is?

I feel like the most. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I think there’s a lot of stress. There’s a lot of conversations around transitions. OK, you know, maybe I want to consider transitioning, starting a family, coming off the road a little bit more. How do I do that? All my experience has been on the road. It’s all I’ve ever known. Yeah. Just a lot of different conversations around things like that. And it’s interesting you said that the nine to five, my husband told me before we got married, I am never going to work a nine to five office job.

Just I just need you to know that. So I was very, very aware from early on that that was not going to be the way that that we did things.

So you’re like, cool? Well, if we have kids, they’ll be raised by someone else.

Will you make a ton of money? We’ll be fine. OK, so and tell me a little bit about starting your own practice. So you had this moment.

You’re like, oh, I have a nesh. And then. And then what? Do you just put up a sign? What does it mean to to start your own practice as a counselor? Wow.

Well, a lot of it was networking was really networking and networking a lot with people who I was already connected with. I realized, oh, wow, I’ve got these different connections of people who are good friends of mine, who work in the industry, my family, people who I’ve known through my non-profit work. And so it really was just a lot of kind of hanging out with those. People that I love anyway and getting to talk to them about, hey, I’ve got this idea, what do you think?

And the amount of support that I got from other counselors, from people in the industry was just amazing. And it’s really helped my practice to grow so quickly. And it’s been really awesome being able to have such a specific niche and still fill a practice with that. So that was a little scary, like, OK, are there going to be enough people who I can fill but in Middle Tennessee? Yes. Yes, there are.

OK, and what is the difference between I keep like just going back and forth between counselor and therapist. So counselors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, what are those? OK, so counselor therapists are basically the same. So a counselor and therapist can be used synonymously.

A psychologist would have a degree specifically in psychology and usually a psychologist. I mean, sometimes they are going to be seeing clients in a practice like a counselor or a therapist would. But usually they’re going to be a little bit more based on clinical research, things like that. A psychiatrist is an M.D. So what they’re looking at is prescribing medication and that medical side of things. So a lot of times individuals will work with both a psychologist, counselor, therapist and a psychiatrist.

So one in that one, that first group. And then to work on kind of the behavioral side of things and then the psychiatrist will work on the medical side.

Daniel, what are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making who are new to kind of the unbalancing effects of working in live in production? And when I’m thinking of mistakes, I’m kind of thinking as you’re starting out and you’re like, oh, man, I feel on balance because I’m working on a lot of hours or doing a lot of travel or I’m not seeing my family, my friends. There’s often an attempt to self medicate or fix DIY that on your own.

And I’m sure people come to you and they say, hey, I’ve tried this, this and this and it’s not working. So I’m curious, what are some of those things that you’ve seen people try and the mistakes I’ve made? Yeah, definitely.

I mean, I think one of the easiest mistakes to make in this industry because so many are trying to you’re selling your own craft, you’re selling yourself, and there are so many contractors and what you guys do that you’re just go, go, go saying yes to everything because you don’t want to say no.

You want to make a name for yourself. You want to show that, you know, you can do it. And so I think there’s a lot of overworking and not having those boundaries, not finding that balance. And when that comes, it’s usually coming because of the crash and burn. It’s usually coming because stress has really built in or depression, anxiety, however that comes out of you or substance abuse, that people are using these different mechanisms to kind of get through to get through on that little amount of sleep, to get through and constantly work, work, work.

Go, go, go. That hussle we talk a lot about the hustle in my counseling office. The hustle is real and I think that there are some pieces of it that are necessary. But you also have to take care of yourself, because if you keep pouring out into all of that work and all of that hustle and there’s no pouring into yourself, you’re going to eventually just burn out from that.

So I guess what I’m wondering before we talk about some ways that we can improve the balance is some ways that people are doing it wrong. So how have you seen people sort of like attempting to fix this on their own and making it worse before they get better, I guess? I think substances are definitely something that we see says. Like what?

Yes, substances like alcohol, like alcohol and drugs, using drugs to kind of get through.

And that’s I mean, that’s a part of the industry. That’s a part of it. It’s it’s really hard to get away from. That tends to be, you know, you work long hours and you’re in a city that you don’t know, let’s go have a drink. So I think a lot of people tend to go toward that. And I don’t have the research right in front of me. But I want to say it was over 70 percent of people in the music industry tend to struggle with alcohol and drug use.

And it is just trying to deal with that, that lack of sleep, that hustle that they’re going through. So I think that that is absolutely probably number one mistake that people are making.

There’s this this energy fluctuation that that is really exciting but can be difficult to deal with. And one of the most exciting things and stressful things about working on live, even production, is there’s this urgency, right. Like we’ve got to get this thing done and we have this deadline and that. Actually feels really good because it feels like the work is really important and I’m really important in these things, that we’re doing a really special because there’s this urgency.

And so I can definitely see that in my own patterns of this day of like, go, go, go. And like now how do you like how do you switch gears? And that’s where a lot of the substances come into that. That’s just where they come into the picture. Mm hmm. Absolutely.

So no question, they’re just I’m just agreeing with you.

OK, so let’s let’s talk about some some some of the things from your talk, at least on some of this year, which if people want to hear, they can go to live on some twenty. Twenty does Sound Design Live Dotcom, you had a presentation called Finding Balance between Home and Road. And I know this is going to feel a little bit out of place right now while we are all in quarantine talking about the road. But that’s why I’ve been sort of referring to it as a live event production and not necessarily touring right now because people are still working, doing broadcast, doing live streaming events.

And we will go back to work and people will be listening to this years into the future.

So I think it’s fair to talk about the stresses of working on any event production, even though we will be referring to home in the road, I guess. Right.

OK, so I want to dive into this a little bit because you shared with people some ways that you’ve identified unbalance and how you can start looking at restoring balance. So first of all, why do I need balance? How do I know that I don’t have balance? Like, what are some indicators that this thing is happening? Right.

So I think when you look at balance, you need to look at it as this filling your day with one is community. So having your community, whether that is like a work community or your home life, whatever, but having people that you are in community with, that’s a piece of balance. I think another piece is doing things that take care of yourself. So whether that’s, you know, meditation, reading a good book, exercise, whatever, it is, something that is really taking care of you, it could be a hobby.

And then I think the last piece of balance is that productivity and where we get stuck is a lot of people overdo the productivity and forget about the hobbies and the self care things and the slow down and that community around them, especially when you’re constantly changing what you’re doing. Or maybe your community is hard to connect with. When you’re in the middle of an event, you’re working 15 hours. How do you connect with those people that that help you that care for you?

So I think just kind of trying to find that balance, that middle ground in all three of those. That’s when you know that you know you’re good. That gives you kind of that ability, that stability to move forward. But I see a lot like I love that you said, you know, just kind of that creative mind. And, you know, so many people that I work with have that really creative mind and they really love the go, go, go.

They love the endorphins. That’s why they got in the industry. That’s why it works for them. And so right now is a really, really tough time for people being at home. Because you don’t really have that as much as some are able to really think out of the box and start doing some other things, but not everybody, not everybody has the ability to do that right now. And so not only are we out of that go, go, go a little bit with being at home, but now you’re in a completely different environment, maybe around people that you’re not normally around as much where you get a little bit more independence and you don’t have that right now.

So just some things I know I went off on a tangent, but just some things to think about in this current day, in this current season that we’re in.

No, I want to go with you on this tangent for just a second. I don’t think we need to to really spend a lot of time on it. But I do see this. I kind of thought we were all on the same page that like, hey, this is going to go on a little bit longer than we thought. And so if we’re going to survive, like we need to look at diversifying our business, the ways that we can be making money, staying busy projects, family, like there’s it’s it’s not the new normal, as you mentioned in your talk, but it is a sustained change for a while and potentially an opportunity to look at our businesses and our personal lives in a different way.

And the only reason why I want to say that is because I posted something about this on Facebook about a week ago and, you know, talking about like, hey, here’s how we can start looking at working on streaming services, because there are a lot of people doing online meetings now. And someone commented and said, hey, don’t worry about this, just relax and we’ll be back working on shows soon. And I was like I kind of felt like that four months ago, but not anymore.

That seems like a really short sighted way of looking at our businesses because something like this is going to happen again. It won’t be exactly the same. But, you know, this isn’t the first time we’ve had an economic depression or economic downturn that has made people spend less money on live events. And haunting is definitely a new thing. But something could happen to the economy that that would affect our business again. And so.

Yes, I’m sure with to bring it back around to you in your practice, I I’m just thinking that this must be a topic of conversation in your sessions and kind of stress people are experiencing right now. So it’s not home and it’s not balance between home and the road now. It’s a balance between home and home and what we do. So I don’t know.

Do you do you have anything else to say about that? We can we can sort of we can move on from this. But if you have anything else to say are interesting sort of revelations you’ve had from conversations with your clients, I’d be curious to know.

Yeah, I think that I’ve had some really great experience with some of my clients in this, that they’ve taken the opportunity to work on the hobbies or things that they really enjoy outside of this work. I have a client who just got licensed as a realtor and is doing that on the side. And that’s something he’s always kind of wanted to do as just a fun thing and something that could bring in a bit more income. And he’s doing that right now as he’s furloughed.

So he expects to go back into the music industry. But this is something great that he could even do when he’s back to that full time work. You could do this on the weekends and still have this enjoyment with it. So it’s just it’s been interesting kind of seeing what people are doing with this. Some individuals you going into breaking out of the box and doing more webinar based things to be able to still kind of show, you know, show their skill and do something within the industry, but in a safe way.

So it’s just it’s been really neat to see, like, the creative side, because creativity is all is all in this industry. I mean, it’s and it’s so cool to be able to work with creatives who can think outside of the box. So I’ve I’ve been really lucky to have a lot of clients who really see the silver lining in this and have been able to work with that really well and kind of have that grateful mindset to be able to move forward in this.

OK, yeah.

So I guess what I’m taking from what you’re saying is, is less about looking at what I’m missing out on right now and more at what the possibility is right now. Yeah, absolutely.

So, Danielle, I’ve seen a lot of my friends and family benefit from working with a therapist regularly. I never have, at least regularly. I’ve seen people like off and on through the years, a few sessions here, a few sessions there that I really enjoy, different life coaches, different teachers that have come into my life at times that have been really helpful. And so I can’t really speak to it for myself. And I just thought maybe for other people who are in my position, you’ve always sort of wondered, like, what’s it like to work with a therapist?

And the questions that have always stopped me from getting started are what’s the cost like? Am I going to be able to afford this? And what’s the benefit like? How long will it take me to see a result? And what is the result? Do do I feel better? Am I happier what I get out of it? And then how do I find someone to help me get started? So I was wondering if you could talk us through some of those questions.

You don’t have to have a specific answer on these. But like, I think these are going to be the same questions that some people have listening. So, yeah, let’s talk about getting started. Absolutely. So, you know, I think just one of the things thinking about what are you going to get out of therapy that is all up to you as an individual. So the first time you meet with a therapist, they’re going to ask you about what your particular goals are for therapy.

That doesn’t mean that you’re coming in with this horrible situation that’s going on right now and you’re needing that to be fixed. But being able to have somebody to talk to about some different things that are going on, a therapist isn’t going to give you advice. They’re not going to tell you what to do. There’s someone who is there to kind of walk alongside you as you’re going through some things and maybe help kind of direct a little bit. So I’m never going to tell a client this is absolutely what you need to do to change your life.

It’s a lot better to walk beside them and watch them come to that as we work together. It means a lot more when you’re able to come to a determination on your own from kind of working through your thoughts and your feelings around something, then if somebody were to tell you, you know what you need to do, you need to do that.

You ever had somebody. Yeah. Have you ever had somebody tell you what you need to do? You’re usually not going to listen to that. It’s OK.

I mean, specifically for that thing, like tell me how to fix this house or fix this car or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Normally unsolicited advice. No one wants that. Right.

So a big piece of it is just, you know, figuring out what what you would want to get out of therapy. And from that, determining it would be a good fit for you. And one therapist who might be a really great fit for somebody, might not be a great fit for another person. It’s about personalities. It’s about. Value, it’s about modalities, there are so many different modalities that therapists use. So some come from a cognitive behavioral space, some come from like me.

I do some MDR work with trauma. Some people are really into that, some people not.

So MDR is something that you can use for trauma. That is a therapy that utilizes eye movements or kind of a back and forth from the left hemisphere of your brain to the right hemisphere. So it can be with eye movements, it can be with tapping, with sounds, but basically getting at information processing to go through in your brain. And if you’ve been in a trauma, you’ve had something stuck. It didn’t process correctly. So you kind of start to live life looking through this lens of that trauma, even if you don’t realize that that’s what it is.

There’s kind of that that background. And so with MDR, we help to work through that trauma and get you into information processing in your brain to kind of file that away. And it doesn’t completely take away the fact that a trauma happens, but it lessens the sharpness of it. It makes it not something that’s always right in the front of your mind. Not something that you live through every day, and when you say trauma, I think a lot of us think car accident, war.

But I was surprised to learn that that almost everyone has experienced some kind of trauma. And for everyone, that’s everyone has kind of like a different story and a different perception and a different experience of that. And so I just wanted to kind of point that out to people who are listening. So would you agree that, like, is it fair to say it’s kind of a big catchall for, I don’t know, an experience of pain in the past?

Absolutely. Absolutely. And we call those.

So what you named like car accidents or things like that? Those are big traumas. Those are what we usually think of when we say trauma, but they’re also little traumas and everybody has experienced a little trauma. There are things that happened to me in sixth grade that for whatever reason are so vivid. And I might think like, oh, that’s not a big deal. That kid was just mean to me on the playground, but it’s kind of taught me something about my life.

And there’s a reason why it’s still vivid. So it’s kind of taught me some maladaptive beliefs that I need to work through.

Interesting. That’s what triggers shame. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah.

And going back to your original questions, so I think it’s really important to try to find a therapist who matches well with you. And one way to do that, I always encourage people reach out to them ahead of time and ask them for a brief consultation over the phone. You can figure out in a couple of minutes of talking to somebody if they seem like a good fit for you. And most therapists are going to do that for you. They’re going to be able to give you that time so that you can determine if they’re a good fit.

And then that’s where you can get all your questions answered about money, fit time, stuff like that.

Yes, yes. And then there are programs for financials. There are some different programs that exist like music carries that can help to provide a short term grant to help pay for the cost of therapy if you can afford it. If you have insurance, there are definitely therapists who accept insurance. Most therapists have a sliding scale if they don’t accept insurance, where they are open to taking you at a lesser rate. So there are all different, all different types of ways to go about that if you’re needing some help to actually financially be able to cover the cost of therapy.

OK, and if you send me links to those things, I’ll include them in the show notes to help people find those if they want. Perfect. OK, so I recently found out that depression runs in my family. It seems like both sides. My father was recently diagnosed, for example, and is starting some treatment for some various things. So should I be on the lookout for that? What symptoms should I be on the lookout in myself, or should I just start treatment immediately knowing that it runs in my family?

Well, I don’t I don’t think you need to I don’t think you need to get super anxious about it, you know, but knowing that that is something that runs in your family and again, just having an awareness of it. What is that? What does that look like? It doesn’t necessarily mean that when you have a case of the Mondays that you’re depressed, that you’re clinically depressed. But just noticing, are there times in your life when you find yourself withdrawing and even those people who are kind of your core community, you’re pulling away from them.

If you kind of can’t get out of a rut for a while? What what kinds of things can you do to try to help yourself to to find that balance, to kind of come back out of that? So I think just having an awareness of what that looks like and what are your what are your kind of tender spots? What are the things that you do? Do you tend to just kind of ghost on everybody for a little while? Is that something that is good for you or is that something that’s bad for you?

Does it affect your everyday living? Does it affect your work? Does it affect your relationships? If there’s a big effect there, then you probably should look into some other things. OK, cool.

I’m sure there’s a lot of things we didn’t get into on the subject. So there is Daniele’s lies on some talk and then we’ll talk about the best place to contact. Turn on include that in the show notes for this for the show as well.

So Danielle, seems like things have gone great for you, but I’m sure they don’t always go great for you. So tell us about the biggest or maybe most painful mistake that you’ve made on the job and what happened after that?

Oh, can I claim like Pippa and just there’s nothing I can tell you.

I tell the story and I’ll make a long beep over the Internet.

And I think I think probably the biggest mistake. Is working too hard as a therapist, working too hard to try to get my clients to work harder.

I think what does that look like to them and like pushing them or what?

I think it’s my own anxiety and feeling like, oh man, I should have done that in the session or I should have I should have done this or I shouldn’t have done this. And realizing that it’s not really my journey, it’s theirs. And so kind of going back to that, I’m there to walk with them through it and not to fix them. And if they’re going a certain way, that maybe isn’t something that that I agree with or that I would encourage that it’s OK for me to just to be with them and that and help them come to that realization on their own.

I think we put too much pressure on ourselves to try to fix. Daniel, what is a book that has been immensely helpful to you? I love Lori Gottlieb. She’s a therapist, of course, who wrote a book called I think it’s called You Should Talk to Someone.

You should really talk to someone. But it’s that’s really great. It’s it’s written really well.

And it’s from her as a therapist. There are kind of scenes of her working as a therapist, working with clients, working with one difficult client in particular that she talks about, and then with her becoming a client because she’s going through a really tough time in her life. So it kind of shows you from both sides. And it’s really interesting. She’s really raw and vulnerable. And it’s it’s a great read. It’s a really it’s a sweet story, and it’s interesting to be able to see both sides of the coin and then you’ll do listen to any podcasts.

I do listen to podcasts.

So I want to know, like the one or two that you have to listen to every time they come out. Oh, I love criminal.

That’s one of my favorite podcasts. It’s terminaling. So it’s really interesting how they talk about things that are our criminal. So they go into different stories about crimes that occurred where, you know, maybe whatever happened is something that wouldn’t be seen as criminal now. So it’s just it’s really interesting. I can’t remember who does it. But then another one that I love, that’s just kind of a short little like bleep if you’re just in the car for a little while is StoryCorps.

Oh, sure. Yeah. So that’s great. That’s so sweet. It has been around for a while. So there’s there’s a lot if you haven’t listened to it, there’s a lot to catch up on.

Daniel, where is the best place for people to follow your work.

So my website w w w dB counseling dot com. I have also recently bit the bullet and decided to get on social media on Instagram at Danielle Bouker LPC.

Well, Daniel Bouker, thank you so much for joining me on Sound Design Live. Thank you, Nathan. I appreciate it. Sound Design Live.

This episode was edited by Noah Feldman, features music by me, Noah Feldman, you can find more at SoundCloud dotcom slash Fantasia 2.0. I have two new workshops coming up that you might want to know about. They’re both about phase. The first one is called intro to the phase graph. And the second one is a follow up to that called Phase Alignment Science Academy Interface Grathwohl. Answer these questions. What are the optimal settings for the phase graph? How do I practice when I don’t have a PEO and how do I convert phase to time in time to phase?

And the phase alignment Science Academy Workshop will answer these questions. Where do I put the measurement microphone? How do I use crossover filters and how do I use all pass filters?

So the first one introduces graph is next month in March and then the second workshop will be in April. Each of them had three dates to pick from. I try to make it really easy to work with your schedule.

So there are two dates on a Sunday and then one on a Monday and same thing for the one in April. So if you want to find out about those, go to Sound Design Live dot com and click on training or look in the show notes for this podcast.