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How Using Less EQ Can Stop Your Show from Sounding Horrible

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In this episode of Sound Design Live I talk with the Sound Designer for Broken Chord and Project Design Manager for Sound Associates, Phillip Peglow. We discuss the night broadway was shutdown by COVID-19, whether or not you should go to graduate school, how EQ is ruining your show and what to do about it, why you’ll never beat the room, and why you should give the producer whatever they want.

I ask:

  • What are your concerns about work because of the pandemic?
  • When you get a new system installed and calibrated in a theatre and you want to give it a test drive, what music do you listen to?
  • How did you get your first job in audio?
  • 8 years ago I interview your partners in Broken Chord, Aaron Meicht and Daniel Baker, after I saw their sound design for the pulitzer prize winning play “Ruined”. So how did you meet those guys and what do you like about working in a team instead of working solo?
  • How did you get the job at Sound Associates?
  • Looking back on your career so far, what’s one of the best decisions you made to get more of the work that you really love?
  • What are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making who are new to sound design for theatre?
  • Tell us about the biggest or maybe most painful mistake you’ve made on the job and how you recovered.
  • What’s in your work bag?

You can’t beat the room. Trying to punch your way through with EQ or level is a fool’s errand.

Phillip Peglow

Notes

  1. All music in this episode by HouseFrau and RRound.
  3. Workbag: headlamp,
  4. Books: Sound System, Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook
  5. Quotes
    1. Unless you have that opportunity [graduate school] at zero to you, I wouldn’t do it.
    2. If you really really really really really really really want to be on Broadway then you must move to NYC. It’s not an option.
    3. Use your ears first, before you put pink noise through anything. Start there.
    4. “If you’re making anything more than a 6dB cut, it’s probably time to reevaluate your decisions.” -Jamie Anderson
    5. Don’t ever use a GEQ.
    6. If you’re trying to make narrow narrow cuts, you are probably trying to optimize for a specific point in the room that has not bearing on 3-4 inches away from that position.
    7. You can’t beat the room.
    8. Trying to punch your way through with EQ or level is a fool’s errand.
    9. If I want into a theatre style setup and I have 5 minutes to get it going, I’m going to delay the system before I do anything else.
    10. When the people who sign your checks say, “This is what I want,” then just do what they want. It’s as much a psychological issue as it is an audio issue.

1 Graph Setting You Need to Change in Smaart for Faster EQ Decisions

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In this episode of Sound Design Live I talk with the founder of SIA Acoustics and SIA Software and the originator of Smaart©, Sam Berkow. We discuss acoustics, sound system design, and audio analyzer pet peeves.

I ask:

  • How did you get your first job in audio?
  • What’s one of the best decisions you made to get more of the work that you really love?
  • You have managed to build a business that successfully marries acoustic consultancy and system design and integration. It seems like these two jobs would always go hand in hand, but they don’t. Is that because sound system design is a much younger field? Could you talk about what separates and joins the two?
  • What are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making who are new to audio analyzers?
  • Is it cheaper to make a room quieter or make the sound system louder?
  • Tell us about the biggest or maybe most painful mistake you’ve made on the job and how you recovered.
  • From FB
    • Kip Conner: What happened to the Tacoma Dome case study? Can it be reposted?
    • Jason Kleiman: Does he have any advice and/or opinions on using FIR filters in system design and optimization. What is an example use case?
    • Cuauhtémoc Méndez: What are his thoughts on “immersive installations” and their future. Will it last?
    • Aleš Dravinec: Ask him how Kayden is doing.
  • What’s in your work bag?

It’s always cheaper to design it right the first time.

Sam Berkow

Notes

  1. All music in this episode by Wowa.
  2. System toning songs: Ali Farka Toure & Toumani Diabate – Debe, Diane Reeves – One for My Baby, Galactic – Black-Eyed Pea
  3. David Byrne’s American Utopia on Broadway
  4. The Band’s Visit on Broadway with Engineer: Kai Harada 
  5. Workbag: Earthworks, B&K, Studio6 Digital, Hilti laser measure, rubber mallet to bang on walls, a strategy for approaching projects
  6. Podcasts: Live From Here, Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me, TWIT “This Week In Technology”
  7. Books: Love is a Dog From Hell, Sound System Engineering, Sound Systems: Design & Optimization
  8. Quotes
    1. You don’t need to know why gasoline burns to drive a car, but it helps is you understand the fundamentals of how cars work and how they respond.
    2. Noise Criterion a series of curves where you make octave band measurements and what curve you stay under you use as your number.
    3. I think making rooms quiet makes them sound better. But if the show is 100dB then it doesn’t matter.
    4. It’s always cheaper to design it right in the first place.
    5. I’m a big believer in delaying the main system to the backline of rockbands.
    6. People are working to make the audio experience at concert venues like a movie experience.
    7. Because the transfer function inherently at mid and low frequencies is looking at the interaction of the room and the system and at high frequencies is looking at just the system I was hoping that as a tool, Smaart would bring those two things [acoustics and sound system design] together.
    8. The idea of low frequency decay being in some reasonable balance with high frequency decay in a room is critically important and a very important design tool and something that’s easy to measure in Smaart.
    9. My biggest pet peeve is people looking at the screen and not listening.
    10. If you have 80Hz as your crossover point, but your subwoofer is 6-8dB above the full range device, your acoustic crossover will be much lower than if you turn the subs up 10-12dB more. You’ve kept the electronic crossover, but slide the acoustic crossover up by changing the gain. I think you create a lot of mud in those cases, by having the subs go so much higher. I like to add EQ outside the bandpass on the subwoofer to make steeper crossovers and reduce the interaction in those areas.
    11. Complex FIR filters that address low frequencies introduce a lot of delay.
    12. I’m a big believer in delaying the main system to the back line of rock bands. So much sound is coming off of the stage that 7 or 8ms really makes a big difference for the front of the audience. The people up front stop hearing two snare drums.
    13. If you’re going to go out and optimize a system, you should have a step-by-step process in your head.

Can you match speakers through space and time? (🍎to🍎)

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What if I want to compare my speaker to your speaker to see if they are compatible? Is there any way to actually do an apples to apples comparison?

Hypothesis: Yes!

Let’s look at an example.

Is a PRX615M compatible with a PRX618S? I don’t have either. How will I find out?

My first idea is to check the loudspeaker manufacturer’s website to see if they have anything that could help. Maybe they have their own modeling software or GLL files I can compare.

Nope. No software and the EASE data offered is only for standard EASE ($2,330), not EASE Focus ($0). Time to start making some calls.

Good news. I found both, but they are in different locations. My friend Amy in Austin has a PRX615M and my friend Burt in Berkeley has a PRX618S. I ask them to take measurements and send them to me.

So far, they don’t seem compatible. The magnitude and phase don’t match.

Magnitude

I thought about asking them to match their preamp settings, but Amy has an OctaCapture and Burt has a UMC404, which has a totally smooth preamp knob. We could probably figure out a way to match their preamps with a meter, but that would still leave the measurement mic out of the equation. Luckily, I remember that Amy and Burt both have microphone calibrators.

I have them do two things:

  1. Calibrate the MIC channel with the calibrator set to 110dB and the microphone preamp set to -12dBFS on the audio analyzer’s input meters.
  2. Adjust the REF loop so that when the signal generator plays a 1kHz sine wave at -12dB, the audio analyzer input meter also reads -12dBFS.
matching levels
level offset

The magnitude data looks like a closer match now. Things are looking up.

Phase

Let’s figure out what’s going on with these phase traces. Are they really that far off, or is there something I’m missing.

I ask Amy and Burt to send me photos of their measurement setups and realized that their measurement mics are at different distances from the speakers. Amy’s measurement is at 0.83m and Burt’s is at 1.6m.

I could ask them to redo the measurements, but maybe I can fix the timing offset manually. If the sub (PRX618S) was measured 0.77m closer than sub (PRX615M), then its measurement needs to be delayed by 0.77m to be in synch. I’ll use the Phase Invaders to add 0.77ms of pre-delay to the sub.

first try

Closer, but they still don’t line up. That’s when I realize that there’s an important feature of the 2-channel analyzer that could also be out of synch. I compare the delay locator setting used with each measurement. They don’t match.

The delay locator for the main measurement was set at 3.94ms and Speaker B was set at…0ms. 0ms? I asked Burt why he didn’t set the delay locator and he said that he tried it a few times and it didn’t work.

Right! If forgot that the delay locator often doesn’t work on LF drivers. Maybe we can figure it out.

I had already added 2.24ms (0.77m) of pre-delay to the Sub because of the distance offset. If I add 3.94 more, that will make 6.18ms.

How do you add pre-delay in the field? It doesn’t exist, but there is a workaround. Try adding 10ms of delay to all of your outputs before the alignment process. Then you’ll be able to add or subtract delay from any channel. Remove any excess delay at the end of tuning.

second try

They are still not aligned. Further investigation reveals that 3.52ms more pre-delay and a polarity inversion or 8.56ms more pre-delay and no polarity inversion give me two workable alignments. If I needed to set these up fast in the field, I would start with those two presets and modify them using their final distance offset.

aligned

Note: The proposed procedure does not test max SPL, but does compare relative sensitivity. For max SPL testing, see m-noise.

Have you tried comparing measurements through space and time? What were your results?

Questions

Will there be enough headroom?

Maybe not to measure max SPL, but we’re just comparing sensitivity. Once the inputs are calibrated you can adjust the signal generator level all day and the measurement will stay the same.

Guess How Many Measurements Positions You Need for Proper Output EQ (it’s more than 1!)

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In this episode of Sound Design Live I talk with the Product Manager at L-Acoustics, Scott Sugden. We discuss the automation built into the new M1 measurement software, why you can’t trust measurement data above 10kHz beyond 80m, and the specific number of measurement positions you need to represent an audience for proper output EQ choice.

I ask:

  • How did you get your first job in audio?
  • What are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making who are new to L-Acoustics systems?
  • What’s interesting for me about the P1 processor is that you have managed to automate some procedures that we would normally do manually. Would you talk about one or two of those procedures and maybe why L-Acoustics decided to pursue this kind of automation?
  • Tell us about one of the biggest or maybe most painful mistakes you’ve made on the job and how you recovered.
  • From FB
    • Kevan Atkins: During a demo I attended for L-ISA, he made a claim that it addresses the problem of comb filtering in system design but didn’t really expand on it. I’d be curious to hear him talk about this in more detail.
    • Haniel Trisna: Explain the idea of boosting high mids in the middle boxes to air compensate for long throws instead of the top box (generated by auto FIR in Sound Vision), and where can we learn more about working with the auto FIR and auto splay.
    • Primož Vozelj: Are they working on vertical processing of their line arrays (like ArrayProcessing, MLA etc.)?
    • Calum Young: I’d love to know what sort of measurement equipment / facilities / testing procedures they go through while developing new units. Is most of the work and decision making done in simulation software pre building prototypes, or is there more extended testing / voicing of units?
    • Steve Knots: If Greek amphitheaters were designed to put the audience in the best place for sound, why are we not creating clubs, theaters and control rooms in similar architectural style?
    • Roy Sputtz: Is the idea of true stereo in live sound a myth?? And also why isn’t anyone making an all weather line array?
    • Ockert Marais: Are they planning on supporting, mic correction curves and z-weighted weighting curves on the P1?
  • What’s in your work bag?

About 8 microphone positions distributed evenly in the center mass of the coverage of a loudspeaker is pretty representative of the overall. The likelihood of a poor EQ choice because of that is pretty low.

Scott Sugden

Notes

  1. All music in this episode by Bodo Felusch.
  2. Justin Vernon and Bon Iver
  3. Cadac J type
  4. L-Isa, Soundvision
  5. Workbag: iSEMcon 7150, DPA 4007, Digigram Cancun 442
  6. Book: The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail–but Some Don’t
  7. Podcast: 20,000Hz, 538 Politics, Science Vs, Planet Money, Freakonomics, The Flophouse
  8. Quotes
    1. A common mistake made with a lot of systems is the expectation that you can solve your problems of a bad design after you install it.
    2. The lack of knowledge; it’s hard to be aware that you don’t know something. That’s one that only comes with time, experience, and making mistakes.
    3. If you have just one mic at FOH or one at FOH and one 20ft off stage of that, the likelihood of an EQ choice not being representative of the audience is really high.
    4. We have taken measurements outside in atmospheric conditions that are good and found that at 80m from measurement to measurement on average is ±5dB at 10kHz. This means that if you see a measurement with a bump of +1dB at 10kHz, you can’t know if that’s the reality or it isn’t. Even a long average doesn’t help.
    5. We tend to look at measurements and think they are some hard fact, but if you’ve used any measurement software outside at distance, you watch the curve move around and when you think it looks good you hit store.
    6. The best thing we can do is use the modeling environment to find the best result, especially at distance, and then get outside and verify behaviors.
    7. It’s hard for anyone to be an expert at all things. It’s an important part of career growth to identify what you can or want to be an expert at and then support yourself by surrounding yourself with other people that reinforce those skills, not reproduce them.
    8. It’s better to figure out what you like and hone down on that expertise than to try to cover every little thing.
    9. Once you get used to the workflow [of the P1/M1] the savings in workflow time and organization of your data is a 10x increase.

Merlijn’s Subwoofer Alignment Method Will Make You Feel like a Jedi Master

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In this episode of Sound Design Live I talk with the senior technical support and education specialist at Meyer Sound, Merlijn van Veen. We discuss subwoofer alignment, subwoofer spacing, and M-noise.

I ask:

  • In Subwoofer Alignment: The foolproof relative / absolute method you describe a process of comparing two sources in the near-field when they are side-by-side and measurement conditions are favorable, creating an alignment preset, and then deploying that in the far-field with complementary delay to correct for any distance offset caused by moving the speakers apart relative to the listening position. Unfortunately, most of us attend a seminar where we learn how to align two sources and it seems pretty straight forward. Then we get into the field and the whole thing falls apart. Why can it be so challenging to get actionable data in the field and how did you came to develop the relative/absolute method?
  • You published a series of articles on your site called Mind the Gap, in which you share the performance improvements in directional subwoofer arrays caused by adding an air gap between enclosures. You end the articles with this: “the challenge becomes to determine the minimum required gap size for improved rejection without a noticeable increase in lobing.” Do you have an update for us on this subject and any further information on the minimum gap size?
  • Could you give us a run down of the settings you use in your audio analyzer? smoothing, graph limits, averaging, etc.
  • What is M-noise? Do I need to start using it as my test signal in Smaart?
  • From FB
    • Dave Gammon: If he had hair…. would he have a mullet or ponytail…
    • Swapnil Wakodikar: Accessible software for all which provides stimulation of Line array and subwoofer configuration.
    • Ockert Marais: If you could only teach a single lesson about sound system optimisation for your entire life, What would it be?
    • Thorsten Bunz: Did having your own education site and writing articles help you get the job at meyer? How did it change your career?
sound-design-live-touring-foh-sound-engineer-job-Merlijn_van_Veen

If you ask a violin player to describe their violin, you’re going to get an 8-hour lecture because he knows his instrument intimately. He knows everything there is to know about that instrument because that’s how he makes his money. Ask an engineer to describe the phase response of the loudspeakers that he works with regularly and chances are you will hear crickets.

Merlijn van Veen

Notes

  1. All music in this episode by Derrick Bryant.
  2. Meyer Sound, MAPP XT, M-Noise
  3. Merlijn’s starting audio analyzer settings: 1/48oct resolution, ±30dB with 10dB divisions, MTW FFT resolution, Complex magnitude average type, 16 FIFO or 1sec average
  4. SC0403-A task group
  5. Sound system Design and Optimization: and em Español.
  6. Quotes
    1. It’s notoriously hard to absorb long wavelengths.
    2. If you have really unfavorable conditions, even using a gratuitous amount of smoothing, typically, will not rid you of those fake wraparounds.
    3. If you ask a violin player to describe their violin, you’re going to get an 8-hour lecture because he knows his instrument intimately. He knows everything there is to know about that instrument because that’s how he makes his money. Ask an engineer to describe the phase response of the loudspeakers that he works with regularly and chances are you will hear crickets.
    4. I don’t consider ripple a bad thing. It’s arguably the most important metric that there is in interpreting an analyzer because it gives you an understanding of the degree of interaction and direct to reverberant ratio.
    5. It’s not about wrong or right. If you know what you are doing, anything goes. If you want your analyzer to become an ally, then the analyzer should render the sound as crappy as it sounds, not paint a picture from a data sheet.
    6. It makes no difference which signal we use when it comes to obtaining a transfer function. M-noise does not change my calibration practice.
    7. Calibration is the process of making it sound the same everywhere. Voicing is the process of “How should the sound system ultimately sound?”.
    8. In the absence of a viable alternative, I think MAPP is still the ultimate sandbox to experiment with these things while looking at data that you will run into in the real world.
    9. Vince Lombardi: Excellence is achieved by the mastery of the fundamentals.